[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> It's the law!-Or is it the money?

["Ivo Skoric" <ivo@reporters.net>]

I didn't go off the deep end. Not yet. But some people already did. 
And what I am interested in is determining why they did it. I think 
that this is as much about them as much it is about us. I can't add 
much to your eloquent description of "them" - "these losers who 
want to be somebody, so they strike at the Empire to prove their 
non-existent manhood in the name of a god with whom they 
obviously have lost touch" - but I can try to supplant some thoughts 
about "us".

Because, in all fairness, we do have to admit that the U.S. 
launched an attack against Sudan, destroying its pharmaceutical 
plants, that it killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in the Gulf 
War, and that it resorts to the "tomahawk diplomacy" as often as 
the former British empire resorted to the "gunboat diplomacy". I am 
not even taking a moral stance towards it - like I am not 
speculating whether the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia was a 
humanitarian intervention or not - I am merely stating the fact that it 
happened.

The U.S. talks to the world from the position of power. The world 
that we live in is bereft with economic injustice, where some are 
born losers. While I don't think that the U.S. is a cause for global 
economic order - it is the home of most of the multinational 
corporations that directly profit from it, and it is also the home to 
the military that is first to be called upon to protect that order. I 
think that terrorism is as a natural phenomenon within that 
paradigm, as a diabetic ulcer is in the body striken with diabetes.

ivo



Date sent:      	Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:40:21 -0400
From:           	"Marko Maglich" <MMaglich@ny.whitecase.com>
To:             	FrodeauxB@aol.com, ivo@balkansnet.org, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net
Subject:        	Re: <nettime> It's the law!-Or is it the money?

You really think we go around striking "those who refuse to accept 
its ways"?  I think you've gone off the deep end.  I don't think that's 
what the allies resent.  I think it's a far cry from resenting the fact 
that we haven't signed on to a few treaties.  Let's not draw the 
wrong lessons from this.  We simply have been added to the list of 
victims of these losers who want to be somebody, so they strike at 
the Empire to prove their non-existent manhood in the name of a 
god with whom they obviously have lost touch. I do love you 
though.  We will get through this.  I'll talk to you Monday.  Got a 
funeral to go to tomorrow. Love, Marko  

>>> ivo@reporters.net 09/14/01 01:50PM >>>
This, of course, is not my problem, man. It is, however, true that 
despite numerous hints, the U.S. behaved as it cannot be hit and 
hurt by its enemies, trusting in its ability to strike from afar - with 
precision, yet unscathed - those who refuse to accept its ways. 
There is no secret in that many people, including American alllies, 
on the other sides of both oceans viewed that as arrogant stance - 
whatever you might chose to prefer to call it. Of course, the U.S. 
now paid heavy price for that, and this is probably the beginning of 
a new era - but we shall see will it be better, more humane, 
peaceful, just and free.
ivo

Date sent:      	Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:17:31 -0400
From:           	"Marko Maglich" <MMaglich@ny.whitecase.com>
To:             	FrodeauxB@aol.com, ivo@balkansnet.org, nettime-l@bbs.thing.net 
Subject:        	Re: <nettime> It's the law!-Or is it the money?

"American arrogance is 
most definitely humlbed." [sic]
What is your problem, man?

>>> ivo@reporters.net 09/11/01 12:33PM >>>
Bush daughters, caught twice for underaged drinking, got a clean 
record after doing 8 hours of community service, attending anti-
drinking classes and paying $100 fine. $100 is nothing for them, 
but it might be a lot for somebody making $6 an hour...

Again, this is just a silly, minor example of how the rule of law may 
convey injustice. It is this feeling of injustice and the feeling of 
helplessness to prevent that injustice, that breeds anger, rage and 
hate, and ultimately it breaks out in irreversible acts of horrific 
terrorism. It is true that Palestinians were and still are victims at 
the hands of the world. And the routes for them to obtain redress 
are clogged on purpose for a long time. So, for a quite a while they 
resort to terrorism, including suicidal terrorism.

Of course, nobody quite expected such a massive, well co-
ordinated and, unfortunately, highly succesfull attack on the land of 
the law, such as happened this morning. September 11th will 
perhaps be remembered in the world's history, because I can't 
imagine world ever be the same after today in regards to fighting 
terrorism. I am obviously afraid that citizens will have to put up with 
even more curtailing of their freedoms to assure their safety. 
Because - how could terrorists simultaneously hijack four large 
airliners at four different airports with such a tight security as it is in 
the U.S.? And the precision with which the planes hit the targets 
suggests use of suicide pilots.

I guess, Manhattanites may understand this morning how 
Sarajevans felt in 1994 - all bridges and tunnels to New York city 
are closed, the underground public transportation is shut down, my 
telephone gets dial-tone only sporadically, cell phone service went 
down with the two largest buildings in the city that collapsed after 
being hit by hijacked passenger airplanes. The bomb threats are 
still in the air. Hospitals in the city are overwhelmed with hundreds, 
thousands of injured. All airports in the U.S. are closed down. All 
trade exchanges are closed down. UN, World Bank, Capitol, White 
House, Treasury, State Department and Pentagon (that was also 
hit and badly damaged) are evacuated. American arrogance is 
most definitely humlbed.

The war has never been that close to the U.S. since their 
Declaration of Independence. And the Space Shield would do 
absolutely nothing to protect the U.S. from such an attack that 
came from inside and was executed by the tools of American 
corporate business, used against the symbols of American 
economic and military might. New York is never going to be the 
same - I am sending you the picture with the WTC twin towers - 
you try to imagine the picture without them - it is like Mostar 
without the Old Bridge. And, I guess, my mom who is coming to 
visit me in November, will not be able to get on top of them to get 
the view of the city.

Stay at home or at your place of business. If you are on the street - 
walk straight North. That's for now from mayor Giuliani.

ivo


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