[Nettime-bold] Re: Attack on America, replace: global elite

["Ivo Skoric" <ivo@reporters.net>]

"This line would refute my earlier possibility that the
elite itself also may have had a hand in the outcome
of the event (unwantingly by not preventing it?)."

Absolutely the most evil plot that cross my conspiring mind would 
be to assume that the "elites" actually orchestrated the attack. I 
dismissed that as far-fetched and "eerie" (the favorite adjective 
used by the American TV to describe the downtown Manhattan 
these days), but let's "make no mistake" - there would be a history 
precedent for such a hypothesis: weak, unpopular and at the odds 
with Senate, Roman Emperor Nero had Rome burnt and then 
blamed the Christians for the deed - he rallied citizens and Senate 
around him after that and became a popular and loved leader, and 
the Christians were thrown to the lions daily in front of the cheering 
plebs in the Colloseum. Of course, that was nearly 2000 years ago 
in the history of Western civilization. Let's hope we did change 
somewhat since then.

ivo

Date sent:      	Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:29:48 -0700 (PDT)
From:           	"P. Timmermans" <p_timmermans@yahoo.com>
Subject:        	Re: Attack on America, replace: global elite
To:             	ivo@balkansnet.org



Dear All, Dear Ivo,

Ivo wrote the following phrase about 
the target of the attack, which was:

(...) "...1% of people in the U.S. who are not merely
Americans, but rather the members of the caste of
globally rich
and powerful. Most of what American politics and
official state
policies are about is designed to please and conform
the interests
of that moneyed group. They, as a group, have the
undeniable
interest to dominate the world affairs - which is
often, unfortunately,
done at expense of others. They, also, think that they
are
invulnerable and god-like. Hits on WTC and on Pentagon
were
obviously designed to prove them wrong."

I strongly agree here. It is about an attack on a
disrooted globally powerful elite. My comment however,
is that political scientists in the US hardly seem to
study their own elites anymore. It has become quite
hard to identify this 1 percent that usurped too much
and too many... Logically, the act of war was aimed to
attack the symbols of their might and to prove their
status was not right. 

This line would refute my earlier possibility that the
elite itself also may have had a hand in the outcome
of the event (unwantingly by not preventing it?).
However, what if the elite was also usurped in a
definite powerstruggle, but now more internally? Are
there Just Watch observers who have knowledge of any
clues that there could be some kind of cooperation of
the lefthand in order to win a struggle with the right
hand of the body politics of the global hegemonic
usurped and disrooted elites? Commentary welcome,

Regards,

Paul Timmermans








--- Ivo Skoric <ivo@REPORTERS.NET> wrote:
> The FBI already said that one of the identified
> suspect terrorrist
> pilots was actually trained in the U.S. - this is
> even more
> embarassing - to hit American targets and kill
> Americans, they
> used American airplanes with American passengers and
> American
> trained pilots. There is no retaliatory strike that
> can help here. The
> psychology that is behind such terrorrism should be
> addressed and
> possibly eliminated.
> ivo
> 
> Date sent:              Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:05:28
> -0700
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> From:                   Margarita Lacabe
> <marga@DERECHOS.ORG>
> Subject:                Re: Attack on America
> To:                    
> JUSTWATCH-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> 
> I know very little about North Korea so I can't
> speculate as to whether it
> had anything to do with the attack.  However, I want
> to respond to this
> point:
> 
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Francisco Forrest Martin wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> (ii)
> > North Korea probably has the technological
> expertise for training
> > pilots (whereas the Taliban does not),
> 
> I don't think the question of how the terrorist got
> pilot training is so
> difficult.  A few months ago while I was waiting for
> a plane from Amman to
> Delhi, I got talking to a fellow passanger who was a
> former airline pilot
> and flying instructor (he had even taught our
> plane's pilot).  He was now
> a freelancer, and was going to India for a job.  It
> occurrs to me that it
> would not have been in the least difficult for
> someone with money to hire
> him - or someone like him, there must be many
> retired flying instructors
> out there - to go someplace (Afghanistan?) and teach
> people how to fly a
> commercial plane.
> 
> I also don't find it difficult to believe that
> somehow they got a plane or
> a flight simulator some place where they could
> practice.  By God, if the
> Colombians were able to get a submarine in the
> Andes, this really doesn't
> seem very strange.
> 
> Margarita Lacabe - Derechos - marga@derechos.org -
> http://www.derechos.org/
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