Re: [oldboys] Feminism today

["rachel baker" <rachel@irational.org>]

There's lifestyle and there's style.

The style thing is particularly pertinent today.
Was listening to another programme on BBC Radio 4/World Service about women
in the punk era.
People like the Slits, Poly Styrene, Siouxie Sioux, and Chrissie Hynde were
being interviewed
about female attitude then as compared to now in music.
Chrissie said there had been no such thing as stylists in the punk scene and
if anyone
came and told her what to wear she would have punched them on the nose.
She'd get up on stage in whatever she happened to be wearing that day.
Poly said if she were a young woman expressing herself in the UK today she'd
be looking to
'bad girl' artists like Sarah Lucas and Tracey Emin for inspiration.

I dont know many  teenage women but I am fascinated to know what their
asp/inspirations really are.
I believe they are even more body conscious than I was, obsessed with sexy
fashion and shopping.
I know Lindsay Perth is doing interesting work with Scottish teenagers and I
wonder if she can comment
on this.
Teenage female aspirations tend to be embodied in pop acts like Destiny's
Child, SWV,
Missy Elliot and Miss Dynamite i.e a lot of black  female attitude  which is
heavily
about style and conspicuous wealth.
All the honeyz with their money....

xR


> well, do not know what she said in that interview,
>
> but i vastly agree with her when she says that
> there are a lot of life-style feminists around
> today (2-income, 2-kids, 1-maid, designer fashion
> made in bangladesh).
> i mean not everybody has to go all the way. but
> i hate the fact that the thought of thinking about
> how to life a life without exploiting another is
> still considered radical.
>
> best
> lizvlx
>
> ps: sorry cornelia e.a. that i did not send any
>      info for the website. i was in salzburg etc
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> >From: <mailto:cornelia@snafu.de>Cornelia Sollfrank
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> >Subject: Re: [oldboys] Feminism today
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> >i guess she said "betrayed"
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> >>     what?
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> >>Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:41    PM   Subject: [oldboys]
> >>Feminism today
> >  >The other day on Radio    4,  on the program Any Answers, Germaine
Greer was
> >>asked whether she    thought that feminists today had betrayed the
feminist
> >>ideals of the    1960s...guess what she replied...
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