Re: [Nettime-ro] limbajul pe nettime-ro

[oli puf <oli_puf@yahoo.com>]

Ca sa-si dea numele ar insemna sa se expuna si sa il manince dusmanii. are dreptate sa nu. si e in conformitate cu ideile sale ca nu isi face reclama. 
 
eu ce voiam sa zic e ca un artist mare nu trebuie sa aiba o viata impecabila, istoria e plina...tu te bucuri de ce vezi fara sa te gindesti daca aluia ii place sa poarte ciorapi de plastic sau este zgircit si egoist....treburile astea nu trebuie sa fie legate. daca ar fi fara compromisuri nu ar mai fi celebru si nu ai mai ajunge sa vezi il si tu. 

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, bazis@bazis.ro <bazis@bazis.ro> wrote:

From: bazis@bazis.ro <bazis@bazis.ro>
Subject: Re: [Nettime-ro] limbajul pe nettime-ro
To: nettime-ro@nettime.org
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 5:16 AM

Tu |f|...3
Nu ai un nume?
Bine ca ai opinie si publici pe nettime dar nu trebuie sa-ti fie  
rusine... si sa te ascunzi. Eu cred ca asta e o prostie.
BERSZAN Zsolt

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>> el stiute) ,personaj cu care am avut si eu personal "o
polemica" la
>> un moment
>> dat,DIN ACELEASI MOTIVE,dar am sfarsit "prieteni" in sensul
>> civilizat al
>> cuvantului,semn ca omul mai are inca o farama de bun simt pe care
>> contez si de
>> aceasta data.
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>> toate cele bune,
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>> NadiRa
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> Depinde ce consideri polemica. De multe ori acest remarcabil 'bun
> simt' se scrie bun simt dar se pronunta Coruptie,
> ceea ce nu reprezinta o problema la nivel personal, dar la nivel
> disciplinar este o problema de care defapt va plingeti.
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> Din punctul de vedere al politicienilor si al oamenilor
'obisnuiti'
> perjovschi are lipsa de bun simt.
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> Perjovschi si 'alti' artisti se pling de coruptia politicienilor
dar
> se comporta identic.
> El recomanda cenzura, precum politicienii de care se plinge.
> Dana Catona, fiind o prietena ... lantul slabiciunilor -> coruptie.
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> Perjovschi se plinge ca bugetul icr a fost taiat de 'hoti', oameni
> 'corupti etc,
> dar nu se uita la 'big picture' - romania/eastern europe is
bankrupt.
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> Perjovschi, precum multi alti 'artisti', este un salariat, nu
artist.
> This is not insult - it's a fact.
> An artist doesn't need the state. S/he serves Art.
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> Bunul simt takes first place on a personal level. That isn't what
> this 'discussions' list is.
> Not when one is bombarded non-stop with reklame from salariati who
> could care less
> whom they reach.
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> It is highly comical that one is insulted by 'polemics'  and not
by
> the non-stop mindless reklame,
> when non-stop mindless reklame constitute the ultimate invalidation
> of one's humanity.
> It is an inverse censorship.
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> It is incredibly ironic that having tasted communism, and apparently
> opposing the communist censorship,
> you fully embrace the capitalist forms of censorship. And sometimes
> not only embrace, but support and recommend,
> as in the case of perjovschi and catona.
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> Some of you are of the impression that western democracy is superior
> - less polemics, more non-stop 'civilized' reklame,
> ie. less personal interaction (which at times is offensive), more
> impersonal robotics, and dehumanization.
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> You should not be concerned by someone disagreeing or even insulting
> you - both still constitute a recognition of your humanity.
> You should be concerned by the faceless, sanitary non-stop reklame,
> censorship and reverse censorship that has been
> adopted by this 'discussion' list and romanian democracy as a
whole,
> which is yet an improved permutation of communism
> and the dehumanization that it entails.
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> In his work perjovschi agrees with this. In his life, however,  he is
> one of the perpetrators, much as the politicians he deplores.
> He will be an artist when his work and his life lose their individual
> borders and become one.
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> In the interim he can follow the politicians and cut his budget.
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