karaite on Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:04:53 +0200 (CEST) |
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[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> Israel rushes to capitalise on terrorist attack |
> I find extremely disturbing the undue haste in the > way that Israeli figures have used this appalling act > of barbarity to attempt to advance their own > interests in the most outrageous way. I am not a supporter of the current Israeli government, but I find extremely disturbing the way that people seem to expect Israel to behave if it is at peace when it is in fact at war - not with the Palestinian people, but with terror groups operating among them. While it is clear to all right-thinking people that these terror groups will only be finally defeated when there is no reason for them to exist any longer - when there is a just and equitable peace established between the two sides - in the meantime it is not acceptable to ask the Israelis, as you seem to be doing, simply to continue allowing their civilians to be randomly murdered and blown up without attempting to do something about it. The interests of Israel lie in defending itself. Do you really find it outrageous that Israel should defend itself? Perhaps you do. Back on planet human, terrorist attacks on civilians in Israel are a constant feature of everyday life there, and the government usually (not always) responds with military action aimed at preventing or reducing the likelihood of further attacks. These attacks shore up Palestinian anti-Israeli sentiment and make further attacks more, not less likely. It seems that neither side is capable of breaking the cycle at the moment; peace will probably only be achieved when both sides do so simultaneously. In my opinion, Israel frequently responds over-harshly, it frequently responds with undue, misdirected, and inappropriate force, it is as guilty of the deaths of civilians as are the terrorists and there are some actions that are completely inexplicable in the context of an attempt to reduce the levels of attacks, but, just as the Palestinian freedom fighters believe their actions to be justified, since they see themselves as 'at war', so do the Israelis. While sane and rational people on both sides just want peace and continue to work towards this, the leadership on each side has been unable to achieve this; indeed, it is pretty clear that Sharon's election victory was a direct result of Arafat's inability to convince Israelis that the Palestinians actually do want a just peace; itself a direct result of Barak's previous inability to convince the Palestinians that the Israelis actually do want a just peace. Meanwhile, attacking the Israelis for attempting to defend themselves when at war is not merely a waste of breath that helps no-one, it also betrays a massive ignorance of 20th century history and the complex mess of political and human disasters that have led to the complex situation that now obtains in the Middle East. Condemning the leaders of the Israeli military for failing to act as if they are at peace when they are at war is absurd. Underlying it all, the very basis of Zionism - the idea that the Jewish people should have self-determination, is identical to the very basis of the Palestinian claim - the idea the Palestinian people should have self-determination. You can reject both or neither - it is precisely because I am a Zionist myself that I can see no logical position other than to support the immediate establishment of a Palestinian state as well. What mystifies me is why so many otherwise intelligent people from all parts of the political spectrum choose one of the two and then reject the other one, depending - I can only assume - on whether or not you are more inclined towards anti-Jewish or anti-Arab sentiments. The knee-jerk reaction to this kind idea on nettime is to say words to the effect of 'Oh, but *I* can't possibly be racist, *I'm* left-wing', to which the only reasonable reply is 'Bollocks' - check the mote in your own eye. Choosing between the rights of the Palestinian people and the Jewish people is racist. Palestinian nationalism and Zionism in themselves are not racist, but sadly, most supporters of either one take the racist line of rejecting the other, whether they accept it the fact or not. Oddly, those on the right are more likely to be honest about this than those on the left, who tend to be unable to accept evidence of racism in their own minds, even when they do things like equate Zionism with racism while simultaneously pledging support for Palestinian nationalism. Of course, I'm not accusing anyone on nettime of being racist, (although anyone who thinks Zionism is racism will already have dismissed me as a racist myself and won't even get to this sentence.) Meanwhile, the campaign for peace continues - on both sides. May it come soon. > I for one am sick of the total > and complete lack of nuance present in American > television This is hardly a statement of particular depth or incisiveness. So, you've noticed that American television is shit. Look more closely, and you'll see that all television is shit, even that television that happens to reinforce your particular personal beliefs. That's because it's an intrinsically shit medium aimed at the intellectual lowest common denominator. > attack, time and time again I only saw the same, > identical, footage of the > same 10 to 15 adults with about the same number of > children. This proves nothing other than that the station you were watching only felt the need to buy one particular piece of footage showing this. There may be more of such footage or this may genuinely be the only example. We will never know. Meanwhile, if you must continue to watch television, you might choose to notice that in television news, you always see the same, identical footage of x time and time again, every day, day in day out, whatever the subject. That's because they don't buy in unlimited footage that they show once each only; they buy in as little as possible and show each as much as they can get away with. That's how television works, and one of the substantive reasons why it is a shit medium. > Benjamin Netanyahu. When > asked what the attack on New York meant for > relations between the US and > Israel, he said: "It's very good." He quickly went > on: "Well, not very > good, but it will generate immediate sympathy." There is never any point in quoting Benjamin Netanyahu, who is widely considered to be a complete idiot, even by his own right-wing Likudnik colleagues, unless you are trying to demonstrate that he is an idiot, which is pointless, since he has made a successful lifelong career out of doing precisely that. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold